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Poster: heptone Date: Feb 6, 2006 1:15am
Forum: etree Subject: importing to itunes

If i burn a show in lossless to disc then import the disc to itunes using aac encoder at say a bitrate of 256 or 320 kpbs, would there be a noticeable difference in sound quality when i listened to the show on my ipod. I only have a 5GB ipod and probably wouldn't get many complete shows on usimg aiff or the apple lossless encoder. What do other folks here do?

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Poster: Zeno Marx Date: Feb 6, 2006 4:05am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: importing to itunes

After you decompress to .wav, you can convert to MP3 in iTunes. The majority of the noticeable loss is in the high frequencies, specifically in the cymbals. It might not be a bad idea to shave off the highs anyway, especially if you're listening to Bertha remasters, since you'll be wearing headphones. Headphones are real ear friers. Best turn down the heat.

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Poster: morst Date: Feb 6, 2006 6:16am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: importing to itunes

To answer your question directly is difficult- will YOU hear a difference between lossless and high-rate lossy? I don't know what you are playing it back with, and I don't know if you have sensitive ears. I personally feel that cutting AAC's higher than 128K is not necessary, and that an AAC at 128 sounds about the same as a good MP3 at 160 or higher. I also do not confuse the lossy files that I play in my iTunes with lossless filesets or CD's made from the lossless source.

I guess it really depends on what you want to do.

When I download lossless files, I archive those on DVD-R along with the .txt, .MD5 & .FFP files. In order to get these into iTunes, I decompress them and then use iTunes to make lossy versions just for playback. If I want to burn CD's (which I do less and less of), I can burn directly from FLAC files, or decode the SHN's and go. An exception to this is with very well-circulated shows- If I am burning CD's anyway, and I think a show will be in the CDDB (internet database which many applications use to find song title info) then I will burn first and extract the newly made CD after iTunes fills in the track titles. That way iTunes will know the song names and not just cvb2003-01-19d1t01.

With a 5GB portable player, you won't have much room for lossless. The question is whether you want to download the full-quality versions and save them somewhere, or if you would be happy with pre-made lossy derivatives which are much faster to download? If you don't collect lossless filesets, you will probably want to simply get the pre-made VBR MP3's. One other nice thing about the MP3 derivations is that they should have the ID3 tags set properly so that when you bring them into your favorite media player they will show artist, track title, year, track number, disc number etc.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Feb 6, 2006 2:33am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: importing to itunes

will this help?

Poster: greengenes Date: January 18, 2006 01:56:18pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: downloading directly into iTunes

> >Can I download a Lossless download onto my hard drive and import it into my iTunes?
If you're thinking FLAC or SHN files, iTunes to-date won't read or play them. (There are other "players" that will.) You can import a variety of audio files into iTunes, but not those "lossless compression" files. The additional value of iTunes is as a library and music database. That requires the labor of naming and cataloging your files through iTunes. The effort is rewarded in the organization and ease of searching--e.g., figuring out how many versions of Dark Star you have.

>> do I have to convert the show into mp3 format after I download it?
You don't have to convert to mp3. Much depends on your harddrive space, what you want to do with the files and what audio quality you want to maintain--burn hi-fi CD's, move to iPod, etc.
Since you can pull high-quality "lossless" compression files from the Archive, you may want to convert to WAV or AIFF for importing into iTunes at the highest quality.
From iTunes you can convert files into another format--like mp3 or Apple's AAC, if you want to roll them onto an iPod where you have less disk space.

The folks here at the LMA have a great set of FAQ's with pointers to everything you want to know about file formats, conversion, playing and burning:
http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#Audio
See also your iTunes preferences, particularly import options under the "advanced" button


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Poster: desact Date: Feb 6, 2006 5:49am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: importing to itunes

I agree that mp3 is the way to go on an ipod for three reasons:

1. it's easier
2. much more room (I have about 50 dead shows and 10 jerry shows on my 40 gig ipod in addition to numerous other shows, books on tape, ripped cds, etc., and I'm not even close to running out of room).
3. Over the years a combination of dead, who, jefferson airplane, new riders and other assorted concerts in addition to years of listening to (probably much too loud) rock music have deadened my ears to the highs anyway. I'm just not going to benefit from the lossless files.

Nevertheless, when I burn files to cds, I ONLY use lossless. I respect that standard and the reasons for doing so.

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Poster: morst Date: Feb 6, 2006 3:58am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: importing to itunes

save yourself the trouble and just grab the VBR mp3's.

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